3D Models

[TLAM Strike]

I got a bunch (and am always making more.) that I'll make avalable.

Just one sugesstion in the game engine have it use a commonly known file type for the models I would sugest .3ds or .x if possable.

EDIT: Go to tohttp://www.commanders-academy.com/tlamstrike/3D_Models/ for downloads of all/most of my models.

[OneShot]

I think Sid mentioned somewhere already that he is using 3DS models ... so that should be ok.

[Zachstar]

Yay! http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs21/f/2007/233/8/3/_chairdance__by_Link3Kokiri.gif

I was wondering if you were going to post your wonderful models!

What about the wonderful S-Class?

[Dr.Sid]

Yes .. currently I use 3DS, since XabbaRus sends me those. I have experience with LWO and OBJ, as far as I know .x is pretty easy to read too.

[Dr.Sid]

I could not extract some of those archives. For example Gato-Balao-Tench%20Conversons.zip
Otherwise I can load the models. The are somewhat simple, but better than nothing.
I like the container ship, it will make a nice target :-D

[TLAM Strike]

I'll upload the files again incase a few got corrupted.

I wasn't really going for massive detail, just detail on par with the default SC and DW AI models.

I'll get around to uploading the S-Class model soon. :smile:

[XabbaRus]

Yea, I am reworking some models. Thing is I hate mapping and mapping in MAX I am crap at. I use an unwrap program but its results can be weird.

Is there anyone here who is good at MAX and wouldn't unwrapping and mapping my models for me...???

[OneShot]

I've got Max, but not the faintest how that mapping works. If you have some good tutorials at hand I could give it a try.

[Dr.Sid]

I appreciate your efforts .. but think about it twice.
3D modeling goes well beyond 'I've got max'. We need experienced modelers, who can make models pretty, simple, with no bugs and glitches, true to real ship (which means, modeler has to have at least basic reference). Experience also makes modeling lot faster.
Mapping also needs some 2D skills.

[TLAM Strike]

Lithunwrap can produce good results if you know what your doing and take your time in painting. I wouldn't mind helping map in Lith the occasonal sub. :wink:

[goldorak]

How about getting in contact with Aaken, this guy is a 3d modeler and from time to time he has shown some impressive shots of modern naval units in the subsim forum.
Maybe its worth a shot asking him to join the project. :wink:

[XabbaRus]

The only thing is he does his 3d in AutoCAD and the ports to 3ds and loses a lot of smoothing, still some are very impressive.

[Dr.Sid]

I PMed him like month ago. No reply.

[Zachstar]

I'll upload the files again incase a few got corrupted.

I wasn't really going for massive detail, just detail on par with the default SC and DW AI models.

I'll get around to uploading the S-Class model soon. :smile:

Are you going to upload the model?

[TLAM Strike]

Are you going to upload the model?

I thought I did...

Oh well its uploaded.

[Zachstar]

Thank you TLAM!

Sid could you post a screenshot showing the S-Class underwater in the wiki Please?

Edit: Perhaps like this one? Image:Screenshot 4.jpg - Community Submarine Simulation (http://www.commanders-academy.com/comsubsim/index.php?title=Image:Screenshot_4.jpg)

[Dr.Sid]

S-class .. what's that ? Keep in mind my sub experience is DW only :-D

[Zachstar]

S-class .. what's that ? Keep in mind my sub experience is DW only :-D

http://www.commanders-academy.com/tlamstrike/3D_Models/SBOAT.zip

United States S class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_S_class_submarine)

BTW I think it was the sub they used in U-571 for the Americans. (The one that was a leaky mess)

[Dr.Sid]

Hmm .. I see ! Not bad at all. But it will need some modifications. It's out of the scale (bit too big) and it has different orientation then I use, but that should be easy to fix. This is for SC or DW ? Any more models ? Surfaces would do too.

[Dr.Sid]

Here it is. It will need some more work to animate all the surfaces and so on, anyway it would be nice addition to current fleet. Btw. credits goes to 'TLAM strike'.

Edit: gee you are talking about it for a long time .. I'm kinda slow these days .. :cool:

[Zachstar]

Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!

Me love S-Class! U Rule Sid and TLAM!

[Zachstar]

Hmm .. I see ! Not bad at all. But it will need some modifications. It's out of the scale (bit too big) and it has different orientation then I use, but that should be easy to fix. This is for SC or DW ? Any more models ? Surfaces would do too.


I thought it was for Virtual Sailor at first? Atleast that is where I have it installed.

[TLAM Strike]

S-class .. what's that ? Keep in mind my sub experience is DW only :-D

The US S-Class (or S Boat) was a sub built at the end of WWI and served up till the end of WWII in limited roles. They saw quite a bit of action durring the Japanese invason of the Phillipines but defective torpedoes prevented them from doing much damage.


Hmm .. I see ! Not bad at all. But it will need some modifications. It's out of the scale (bit too big) and it has different orientation then I use, but that should be easy to fix. This is for SC or DW ? Any more models ? Surfaces would do too. This was for Virtual Sailor. It was my first model and I didn't know much about scales and such. All my other models are uploaded here:
http://www.commanders-academy.com/tlamstrike/3D_Models/

After I finish imported the SCX Database in to LWAMI I might start making more models including several surface ships (US cold war era cruisers).

[Zachstar]

We do need to start thinking about more models as obviously there is many types and variants of ships, weapons, and aircraft.

I wonder if the project could gain a number of aircraft models by talking to freeware addon makers for the various flight simulators?

[Dr.Sid]

I think this won't be a problem .. it will just take time. Basic model and textures can be used from any source. Animations are some work, but much less then the whole model from scratch.

TLAM: only problem with the size was it was in feet, while I use meters. Easy to fix.
It would take some work to animate it. Anyway I want to focus on LA and Akula as first subs.

[Zachstar]

Atleast for aircraft I got a few ideas that I want to explore. There is this one that does aircraft addons for a sim that look quite well and are quite well made in my view. And he has even done such greats as the F-19 (Like in the game)

[SpookyMuFu]

hello all,
I was contacted by Zachstar in order to use my VS models in this sim, I said yes, he is welcome to use my models. I see Xabb and Tlam are here, hi guys, long time no see.

here is where you can get my models, just give me the proper credit, also, the subs TLAM and I worked on together will require his okay, if he says it's okay then it's okay with me too.

VS Library - The Addon resource for Virtual Sailor (http://vslib.maxxflow.com/browse.php?user=26)

[Dr.Sid]

Great oh great ! Thanks man !

[Zachstar]

We got a tree model!

Thanks go out to Kope from the Infinity the Quest for Earth forums!

http://www.fl-tw.com/Infinity/ :: Viewing profile (http://www.infinity-universe.com/InfinityForums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5332)

model by David Kopestynski
email: *removed*
for freeware applications only

[TLAM Strike]

hello all,
I was contacted by Zachstar in order to use my VS models in this sim, I said yes, he is welcome to use my models. I see Xabb and Tlam are here, hi guys, long time no see.

here is where you can get my models, just give me the proper credit, also, the subs TLAM and I worked on together will require his okay, if he says it's okay then it's okay with me too.

VS Library - The Addon resource for Virtual Sailor (http://vslib.maxxflow.com/browse.php?user=26)

Premission granted, all the models I worked on for VS can be used. :)

[Zachstar]

Just confirmed permission to use Soyuz meshes.

Model and Texture #1 by Jason Benson

Texture #2 by Moe from the Orbiter Community

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Vagoneta/soyuz.jpg

Soyuz will obviously be an Icon of testing the space sensor aspects.

[XabbaRus]

I'll get more models to you thng is I hate unwrapping and then mapping the buggers. Some stuff I need to redo.

I'd love to set up a production line type facility. I model soemone unwraps and maps, someone else paints. I'm reworking my Yankee SSBN so that the planes and everything move. The missile doors are movable too.

[Zachstar]

Like I told you in the IM today. Blender has a good UV mapper in it.

Just a heads up if nobody has heard of Blender

http://www.blender.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_(software)

[SpookyMuFu]

I'll get more models to you thng is I hate unwrapping and then mapping the buggers. Some stuff I need to redo.

I'd love to set up a production line type facility. I model soemone unwraps and maps, someone else paints. I'm reworking my Yankee SSBN so that the planes and everything move. The missile doors are movable too.

Xabb, if you're using GMAX to model it's really pretty easy to map in it, I read a few tutorials on it and picked it right up, if I ever start modeling again I'll have to re-learn it but I know it was pretty easy to do when I was doing it.

[XabbaRus]

use 3DS MAX and it is a pain

[Zachstar]

Well hopefully will be easier in Blender with it's powerful interface.

[XabbaRus]

AS for space vehicles, I'll do a RORSAT....though that might only be useful for an intro movie.

[Dr.Sid]

This blender is not bad, considering it's completely free. It can even load Xabba's 688 with no problems, which many 3ds loaders can't.
But man, that user interface is crazy. What's wrong with menu on top and close button on right ? I understand that people thing they can do better file open dialog then the system one, but why don't they implement copy/paste for filename ? My first impressions are really bad.

As for GMAX, the problem was file formats. We need something known to export it to. I've heard there are some plugins, at least for MSH format which uses orbiter. Anybody knows something more about this ? Not that I think GMAX is better, I looked at it long time ago.

[goldorak]

AS for space vehicles, I'll do a RORSAT....though that might only be useful for an intro movie.

The more eye candy the better. :biggrin:

[XabbaRus]

If we have RORSATS and that kind of capability then a playable Oscar II is a must.

[Zachstar]

This blender is not bad, considering it's completely free. It can even load Xabba's 688 with no problems, which many 3ds loaders can't.
But man, that user interface is crazy. What's wrong with menu on top and close button on right ? I understand that people thing they can do better file open dialog then the system one, but why don't they implement copy/paste for filename ? My first impressions are really bad.

As for GMAX, the problem was file formats. We need something known to export it to. I've heard there are some plugins, at least for MSH format which uses orbiter. Anybody knows something more about this ? Not that I think GMAX is better, I looked at it long time ago.

Blender is designed for speed. So that a skilled modeler with it can do 5 models by the time it takes max to do 1.

EVERYTHING is shortcut based. Sure you can dive deep into menus but instead one learns what key key on the keyboard does and to model you have one hand on the keyboard and the other on the mouse.

If it tried to be a max or Anim8or clone.. Its market share would collapse. Its base is people who need to do big things fast.

However its Texture mapping is one of the most powerful I have seen yet. I think that if you learn it well Xabb.. you can easily map your models.

Dr Sid a good wikibook on Blender

Blender 3D: Noob to Pro - Wikibooks, collection of open-content textbooks (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro)

Look at this group of pages to see how the interface works.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Blender_Interface

[Zachstar]

If we have RORSATS and that kind of capability then a playable Oscar II is a must.

If we somehow do not have the model I think it may be a good time to wait on another boomer sub class. As there may be a chance to do something interesting with it in the future.

[Zachstar]

Xabb (and for others interested in using Blender for Texture mapping)

Here are a few video tutorials that may help

YouTube - UV Unwrapping In blender - Tutorial by MysticDuder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu2jZwRmz1o)

YouTube - UV map Exporting in Blender - Tutorial by MysticDuder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrcLJRbO3xs)

http://www.blender.org/education-help/video-tutorials/modelmateriallight/

Oh and Xabb I forgot the all important manual!! Manual - BlenderWiki (http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual)

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BTW for anyone learning blender there is a boatload of good video tutorials at DR-21 Three-Dimensional Modeling, Animation and Rendering Using Blender 3D Software, Spring 2006 - OpenCourseWare - Tufts University (http://ocw.tufts.edu/Content/28/supplementarymaterial/366743)

And other boatloads of video tutorials here...

Updated Blender Video Tutorial List - Blender Artists Forums (http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=106503)


For lots of other tutorials go to Tutorials - Blender Artists Forums (http://blenderartists.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=32)

[Zachstar]

Just a heads up. We MAY have a photorecon sat model and some early modules of MIR models soon.

Also it looks like we are going to be good for models for Cape Canaveral.

Hey Sid does your engine work allow for a good deal of AI craft? I would like the sim to Implement Civil Flights (747s. A340s, 777s etc...) with simirealistic routes so that the player will at times have to Identify what he/she is lobbing a SAM at.

http://www.orbithangar.com/thumbnails/K-B737-900.jpg

[Dr.Sid]

What kind of AI is needed for that ? Following predefined route ? I don't call that AI.

Btw. the sims tries to show all implemented. So as long as you don't see AI aircraft there, there are none. :biggrin:

[SpookyMuFu]

how long will it be before I see a few screenshots with my models in the sim?

[Dr.Sid]

The subs first next public release, the boats first release with boats, which I hope will be the same release.
It wont be sooner then month or so.

[XabbaRus]

I found a good model of an Alfa in my folders. I did it for Linux SSN which I think has died. Anyway the first version I could skin and send and then I could modify it to have mroe detail.

[Dr.Sid]

I guess you should prioritize the 688. Or at least make those scope masts and torpedoes.

[XabbaRus]

ADCAP should be on its way this week.
The periscopes will they be separate from the model or part of it? I'll also finish of the 688 with all moving control surfaces. What about torp tubes?

[XabbaRus]

Sid what is your e-mail again as I found the mast models for the 688 I did ages ago, one periscope and 1 radar.

[XabbaRus]

Here is Mk-48 ADCAP. Should do...
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3869/adcaptx8.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adcaptx8.jpg)

[XabbaRus]

Updated the ADCAP all I need to do now is skin it and then I'll send it to Sid.

The turning vanes can turn too....

http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/?action=view&current=ADCAP.jpg

http://www.commanders-academy.com/forum/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/ADCAP.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

http://www.commanders-academy.com/forum/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/ADCAP1.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

[Dr.Sid]

By a chance .. anyone has any surface ship in 3DS ?

[XabbaRus]

Yes I have quite a few. I'll send them tonight...pm me your e-mail again as I lost it during a reinstall.

[TLAM Strike]

By a chance .. anyone has any surface ship in 3DS ?

http://www.commanders-academy.com/tlamstrike/

Look under 3d models I have several. The Halifax is my fav.

[XabbaRus]

There will be an improved version of my Oscar II out soon. Not mapped but it looks a lot better. After looking on a few sites I figured a better way to do the stern and it looks a LOT better now. More labour intensive but worth doing.

[XabbaRus]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/OscarIISmooth.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/OscarIISmoothwire.jpg

This is my new stern of the Oscar II, pretty damn close.

[TLAM Strike]

Very nice work there!

Care to explain how you did that one Xabba or is it a trade secret? :biggrin:

[Dr.Sid]

Btw. about the damage model .. yes .. breaking into parts would be easy and it should look good enough. I think 4 parts per normal size ship hull, so it can break in half but not just in half. Every part must be then connected to some of the hull part, so it is clear where it will go when it is split.

[XabbaRus]

OK If I get you right I take a ship, break it in 4 places, making sure that the top-sides are attached to the right part of hull so that when it goes down the bridge for example isn't hanging in mid air? Maybe if you mark up a screenie of a surface vessel to make it clearer.

TLAM what I did was take my original model for SCX. Chopped off the tail at a point before the prop shaft sponsons. Then I selected the edges I needed, selected the move command and then moved them while holding down the shift key. Result you get a new set of polys. I then built up on of the sponsons till I got the shape I wanted. Then I detached it from the hull, mirrored it and then reattached both parts and then welded the verts. Then I converted the hull to an editable poly, selected polygon edit in the menu, selected all polygons, scrolled down the polygon edit to the bottom, opened the Subdivision section and hit meshsmooth. An iteration of 1 was enough. Result was a smooth model. I am going to use the same technique to make the fins too...

It will allow me to rework my Akula and Alfa and have nice smooth joins.

[XabbaRus]

OK Oscar II update.

Since I have sorted out the stern I have now worked on the outer missile doors.

Ignore the shading problem that is fixed.

[To be]

OK Oscar II update.

Since I have sorted out the stern I have now worked on the outer missile doors.

Ignore the shading problem that is fixed.

Out of curiosity could you upload a shot of the model where the shading problem is fixed? I would like to see it if you don't mind.

[XabbaRus]

Ok here are a couple

[To be]

Ok here are a couple

Thanks, it looks great! The stern is spot on perfect, the sides look a bit flat (compare: img1 (http://www.tribulation.com/images/oscar2.jpg) img2 (http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/military/kursk/images/antey2tower350.jpg)) and the front a bit blocky, but far far above the DW models (even many of the 'improved' ones). Great job!

[Zachstar]

Looking good!

Please keep up the great work!

[XabbaRus]

That's a result of the lighting. This is a rework of an SCX model.

So the bow I took quite a bit of time to get right. I have a very good line drawing of an Oscar.... apart from that it is coming along well.

[XabbaRus]

Worked on the sail some more.

Added hatches for the masts. The coloured ones are also hatches. Thisisn't the final sail, just wanted to see if I could get the cuts working.

I'll refine it once I get my drawing with measurements located. At the moment locations are approximate. I know Sid would like me to sort some stuff with the current models but what I am doing on this one is teaching me techniques to use on the current ones. We might not have SHIV type graphics but if I can get the models looking good we could get close.

[Dr.Sid]

Nice work.

[XabbaRus]

Sid, I'm just putting the final touches to the hull of the Oscar II ie torpedo doors. I'm assuming you won't be finding a need for the torpedo laoding door that Russian subs have for loading weapons at the dock.

What about the aft escape hatch? It would be purely cosmetic and for fun.

[Dr.Sid]

Well some day I plan crew. Not something like SH3 has, but some small lowres 'men'. They will be placed on sail when on surface, you will be able to put them on hull for parade, and they will evacuate ships and you will be able to rescue them.
So hatches would come handy. But such thinks can easily be added any time.

[Red Ocktober]

that Oscar is looking really nice Kent... looking forward to seeing er in the sim...

hey, if you have any of those low poly crewmen that i made up for Virtual Sailor, pass em onto the Doc so he can see if they'd suit his purpose... he can use em freely and mod em as he sees fit...

--Mike

[XabbaRus]

I don't have them. Want to send them to me Mike so I can add them to the model.

I guess at work having access to an A1 plotter is good as I can get some good measurements off of teh drawing.

Having a little break from it at the mo. Trying to figure out how the doors in the sail should open, especially the round ones for the masts.

[Red Ocktober]

will get em to you asap (in a day or two :biggrin:)...

--Mike

[Dr.Sid]

Can I have them too ? It's pretty low priority, but I'd like to see what you can do.

[Red Ocktober]

http://home.att.net/~mikey102/Blitz3DSubInteriorDiving.jpg

that's what he looks like (in a Blitz3D test of some code i was working on)... it's a simple figure i did for a Virtual Sailor 637 sub i made a ways back...

searching my drives for the model now... i'll get it out to you guys as soon as i find it...

--Mike

[Dr.Sid]

Quite good !

[Red Ocktober]

Kent, Doc... here's the crewman files... found the segmented model that has a segmented parts so you could move around the arms and legs to suit your needs...

model is in .x and .cob (truespace) format...

--Mike

[XabbaRus]

Cheers Mike

[Dr.Sid]

Hm .. there is too many polys and surprisingly the models are not symetric .. it looks like the are converted from some more detailed version. Anyway the basic shape is good and the textures are great.

[XabbaRus]

How do I open them? Can they be opened with 3ds Max?

[Red Ocktober]

they can load into any modelling app that imports .x or directly into TrueSpace (7.6 is free)...

yes Doc... the original is a higher poly model... this was reduced in TS (that's why the non symetrical geometry)... it was done mainly to add some quickly needed figures to a submarine i was making for Virtual Sailor a few years ago...

http://www.avsim.com/vs/images/downshots/star2.jpg
same figure with joints rearranged in VS sub

despite that it should scale down well for your purposes... though the polycount may be a lil higher than you're looking for...

anyways, feel free to use whatever you find usefull... if i get some time i may make some simpler actors...




--Mike

[goldorak]

You can use Blender (free open source program and works in windows/linux/unix/mac os x) to import .x models.

[XabbaRus]

OK here is the Oscar, almost done.

Just need to add a little more detail to the sail, add the rudders and then map it.

[Red Ocktober]

looking really good man... can't wait to see 'er with a fresh coat of paint running around in the sim...

--Mike

[XabbaRus]

How bothered are you about hatches opening for the masts on the sail?

With the Oscar I'm having massive smoothing problems that are doing my head in.

So unless I can get this sorted I'm going to remake the sail more simply with just the masts. Then I'll map it and get on to improving the 688i and Akula models I have.

[Dr.Sid]

As for the smoothing, important notice: I CAN'T import smoothing at the moment. I do it all again, based on geometry only. Border between surfaces is smoothed it it shares material and if the angle is less then 89 degrees. This is how Lightwave does it (the smoothing angle can be set per material, but 89 is mostly OK). I had it implemented because I loaded LW models first. I could not find smoothing info in 3DS so I simply used the LW method.
I could make some 3ds viewer which would show the model as my sim sees it. That should help you with this problems.

[XabbaRus]

Sid I e-mailed you the Tanker, I got its poly count down a bit but for a target it may be too big.

[toni]

You are doing a great job guys!! But tell me please,are you thinking about implementing 3D Control rooms with 2d panels inserted on the consoles? What about the Bridges and CIC for surface units?
Would be cool to implement detailed Carriers with a complex interface,able to manage at least an air wing of 50-60 aircrafts, dont you think so?

Regards

[goldorak]

You are doing a great job guys!! But tell me please,are you thinking about implementing 3D Control rooms with 2d panels inserted on the consoles? What about the Bridges and CIC for surface units?
Would be cool to implement detailed Carriers with a complex interface,able to manage at least an air wing of 50-60 aircrafts, dont you think so?

Regards

:tongue: yeah, once the basic things are done, like in 5-6 years.

[Hitman]

But tell me please,are you thinking about implementing 3D Control rooms with 2d panels inserted on the consoles? What about the Bridges and CIC for surface units?
Would be cool to implement detailed Carriers with a complex interface,able to manage at least an air wing of 50-60 aircrafts, dont you think so?


There's another thread about that in this very same forum; refer there :wink:

[XabbaRus]

Yea then it isn't really a subsim is it? Lets get the main thrust done first and get that working well, then Sid will see about letting us loose with a CVN.

[Zachstar]

Just a note we have models on a number of civilian aircraft.

AN225: http://www.orbithangar.com/addonpics/K-An-225.jpg (Plus the Buran Shuttle)

727: http://www.orbithangar.com/addonpics/B-727.jpg

7E7: http://www.orbithangar.com/addonpics/B-7E7-V2.jpg

C172: http://www.orbithangar.com/addonpics/K-Cessna-172-v3.jpg

ATTAS VFW-614: http://www.orbithangar.com/addonpics/K-VFW-614.jpg

739: http://www.orbithangar.com/addonpics/K-B737-900.jpg

Old 737: http://www.orbithangar.com/addonpics/K737-A-51-v2.jpg

Just to name a few

[Zachstar]

Good news folks! Just got word that when the time comes we may have access to a SeaSprite model! (One designed for MSFS series)

As far as aircraft are concerned I am pretty confident that the sim community is willing to step up and provide whatever is needed. The spirit is what will keep this genre going!

[SpookyMuFu]

well, Zachstar asked me to post some renders I have done of a few models I have been working on.......

A Russian Alfa, a Russian Delta III, and a Russian Typhoon

[Zachstar]

Nice work! That texture really brings out the size of that monster Typhoon!

There is a few classes I am wondering if they are done or if anyone is working on them or wants to work on them.

November Class
Papa Class
Typhoon-7 from the Movie "Red October"

[Dr.Sid]

Nice .. any chance I got these in 3ds ?

[XabbaRus]

Spooky you have way too much time on your hands. Good job. I like how you modelled the typhoons doors. How did you do that? are there tubes underneath.

[Zachstar]

Good news folks. After searching around a little I have located some aircraft for MSFS that are under copyleft. Of course when the time comes we ought to let them know just to give them a chance to be the ones making mods or whatever but as long as models do not need to be hidden in the binary I am sure we can use them.

Just a few I have found..

LZ127, LZ129, ZRS4 (Blimps/Airships)

Airbus A300B2

Airbus A300B4-600R

A300B4-600ST Beluga

Useful? Not really except for adding civilian traffic routes and some historic stuff. But its nice to have options.

[SpookyMuFu]

Nice .. any chance I got these in 3ds ?

well, I am doing these for Virtual Sailor but as with my other models you may use these as well, same rules apply, I get full credit...

[SpookyMuFu]

Spooky you have way too much time on your hands. Good job. I like how you modelled the typhoons doors. How did you do that? are there tubes underneath.

no, no tubes, what I did was make the covers, made all of them as one object, then I cloned them and did a boolean cut into the hull then set the "doors" flush with the hull. I think it looks good too ;)

Thanks for the positive comments guys, I am working on re-vamping the Kilo TLAM and I made several years ago......the old girl needs a refit.

Also on my list is an Oscar, Re-doing my Hotel, possibly a Vangard, and a few others....

[Zachstar]

VS uses the .x format BTW sid.

[Red Ocktober]

great looking models Spooky...

check this youtube vid out (if you haven't already seen it) for a few quick views of the control room...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMnMb_rkt5I&feature=related

[Dr.Sid]

.x is fine. I don't support it yet but it's simple and popular format, I moving it up my priority list then.

[SpookyMuFu]

Okay, I started messing with mine and TLAMs kilo we did years ago and I have almost remodeled the whole thing, here are some progress pics.....

anyone know what the red and white "cap" is on the Russian subs?

[Zachstar]

Looking great!

Any chance you could do a 2nd texture to simulate the Kilos from Iran? That is great sim material right there.

[SpookyMuFu]

here ya go Zachstar....

Kilo of the Royal Iranian Navy

[Theta Sigma]

The Delta and Typhoon are frighteningly good. :D

[SpookyMuFu]

here's a few more of the Kilo

[SpookyMuFu]

The Delta and Typhoon are frighteningly good. :D

thank you!

[SpookyMuFu]

I hope I'm not clogging up the forum with a WIP, if I am just let me know and I'll stop, but here is the Kilo again, I re-made the hull, stretched out the deck added marker lights, hand rails and deck bits....I cant think of anything else I need to add, if you guys can think of anything let me know, other wise I'll start working on the masts

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, I wasnt happy with the way the dive planes were so I did some work on them.

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, I got the masts done, here they are.....

[TLAM Strike]

anyone know what the red and white "cap" is on the Russian subs? Its a distress buoy. When the sub goes down the buoy shoots to the surface and signals for help.

[Bartolomeus]

Hi

Iam new to Community Subsim. I must say it is a amazing project! Currently i working on different submarine models for Virtual Sailor. And i would like to sail my models in Community Subsim :smile:.

Here two pics of my favorite models.

USS Texas SSN 775
http://www.subdock-vs.de/home/images/stories/gallery/texas/texas_new_024.jpg

USS Miami SSN 755
http://www.subdock-vs.de/home/images/stories/gallery/miami/miami_0001.jpg

Best Regards
Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

hey Marko!!

glad ya made it over, I was supposed to send you a PM but I forgot, sorry :redface:

[Bartolomeus]

hi Scott...it is nice to see you and Mike here!!

Deamon has send me the link to this page.

Marko

[Zachstar]

Woah! Nice Virginia you got there!

[Zachstar]

Oh BTW can you repost the WIPs of the Typhoon-7 from Red October that you have?

[SpookyMuFu]

Its a distress buoy. When the sub goes down the buoy shoots to the surface and signals for help.

AH HA!!!!!!

hey man, you didnt comment on our revamped Kilo.......

[Bartolomeus]

Hi Zachstar

Yeah, here is the Typhoon 7. It is only Work in Progress.

http://www.subdock-vs.de/home/images/stories/gallery/october/red_0006.jpg

And the "normal" Typhoon class sub.

http://www.subdock-vs.de/home/images/stories/gallery/october/red_0003.jpg

[Zachstar]

It looks great tho! And will obviously be great for custom scenarios in my view!

[SpookyMuFu]

hey Marko, can you post a pic of the reference you're using for the nose?

[SpookyMuFu]

I thought I'd show you the interior my Kilo will come with (for VS) if Jason Simpson gives me the OKAY. Well, that is if I release it to the VS community.....I might not do anything for the VS community again, not sure yet....

[Bartolomeus]

Hi Scott

The bow have not the correct form and size. Iam working on it. For the final version of both models, the bow will looks better (i hope).

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5952/pl941ak8me0.jpg


Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

Hi Scott

The bow have not the correct form and size. Iam working on it. For the final version of both models, the bow will looks better (i hope).

Marko

whew, I thought I had totally screwed up my bow.........thanks!

[Bartolomeus]

I like the bow design of your typhoon.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

Hi guys......

I re-modeled and re-shaped the hull of the Delta III and made a few changes to the decks.......I think I'm going to remake the sail too, I also added my Kilo masts to make it look better

[SpookyMuFu]

curious, what do you guys think of the black textures?

you like rusted or black?

[Zachstar]

I think the black looks better but I feel that is likely due to the texture stretching on the rust one.

The rusted one is more realistic.

[Zachstar]

Some good news.

We gained permission to use the Tu-360 model. This is from an addon for MSFS depicting the never built hypersonic soviet bomber. Its big, bad, and coated with antiflash.

I would show an image but the model might be redone and I want to give the author the chance to post here if he wishes.

[Bartolomeus]

hey Scott

I also like the black textures. The rusty one looks to heavy.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

yes, i do too.

I remade the sail, cut the windows and made new dive planes, I also lowered the missile deck because it was too high and flattened the front "deck"...

[Bartolomeus]

wonderful work.....the Delta looks awesome!!

Marko

[Zachstar]

Looks good!

BTW for the time being I am again halting the search for aircraft models. I think there needs to be a simple database on aircraft needed so that we don't have too many duplicates.

[SpookyMuFu]

just goofing around........

[Bartolomeus]

looks like real models!! it would be nice to see the boats in next versions of this project.

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, work has started on the Hotel.......Very early renderings of K-19

[Bartolomeus]

Nice one Scott!! What do you think about a Foxtrot class? Would i make one after the hotel?

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

I really like the foxtrot class and I want to make one. I dont know what my next one will be after this one...........so many subs so little time........LOL

[SpookyMuFu]

on February 16, 1961 a submarine was spotted surfaced in the Norwegian sea apparently having a reactor problem. The USS Arcadia spotted it and was able get this picture. We believe the designation of this sub is K-19 a Russian Hotel I class SSBN.

[SpookyMuFu]

more work on the Hotel.....

[Bartolomeus]

Looks great Scott!! I like this model!

Marko

[Red Ocktober]

yeah... that really looks great...

--Mike

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, got the windows cut thanks to Marko's help (I figured it out Marko!).

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, i couldnt cut the flood holes in the side of the sub, it distorted the mesh too much so I had to make them textures, but they look good

[Zachstar]

Indeed! K-19 is coming along quite nicely!

[Bartolomeus]

Keep up the great work Scott!!

Here is the Texas. Iam working on the texture set for this simulation. The mesh has now a vls launcher with working hatches. Now iam working on the radar and the masts on the sail.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8487/texasnew028vm6.jpg

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

nice Marko, how do the VLS tubes and doors work?

[Zachstar]

Looking good!

Something to Hunt down those pesky Kilos (*looks at TLAM*)

[SpookyMuFu]

I need some feedback on these missile doors........

[Bartolomeus]

I have added a animation for open the VLS hatches. In VS the VLS hatches can be opened like the sail hatch.


Hi Scott, can you CUT with REFINE in gmax (Boolean tool)?

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

I have added a animation for open the VLS hatches. In VS the VLS hatches can be opened like the sail hatch.


Hi Scott, can you CUT with REFINE in gmax (Boolean tool)?

Marko

ah, you used the sail feature. I used that to make the forward dive planes retractable on the k19.

I figured out how to cut with refine like you do for your windows...

[Zachstar]

Hey Marko after the Texas is there any chance you can work on the USS Gettysburg CG 64? There seems to be a lack of surface ship models compared to Subsurface. And especially Aircraft.

[SpookyMuFu]

Hey Marko after the Texas is there any chance you can work on the USS Gettysburg CG 64? There seems to be a lack of surface ship models compared to Subsurface. And especially Aircraft.

if you're lucky, Jason Simpson will take an interest in this sim and give you his ships

[Bartolomeus]

I think the Gettysburgh is in the summer ready to sail...after i finished this ship i send it to you.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

since I didnt get any feedback on the K19s missile doors I guess they are fine..

I started a new model at the request of Zachstar, anyone know what it is?

[jrex53]

SpookyMuFu,

How about the Skipjack class submarine.

[SpookyMuFu]

SpookyMuFu,

How about the Skipjack class submarine.

good eye!

I should have known someone on sub sim forum would get that easily, I'll have to step up my game, I guess I'm used to most of the people at the VS forum.



heres another quick and dirty update

[SpookyMuFu]

here's more...

[Bartolomeus]

Great Scott! I like the Skipjack class with the "giant" sail! Looks very nice.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

I think this one is almost done, now I just need to make the details on it

[Capt. Lindemann]

Looks good:wink:

[Bartolomeus]

Hey Capt. Lindemann.

Yes Scott, the superstructure looks very nice.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

Okay, I think I'm pretty much done with this unless someone here can spot something I missed......

[Zachstar]

Absolutely amazing how fast you cranked that out. And it looks awesome! One will be hard pressed to find another model that well done for the Skipjack.

[Red Ocktober]

wow... you've become a sub factory spook...

that skipjack is just plain awesome...


--Mike

[SpookyMuFu]

thanks guys!

[Bartolomeus]

Yes, looks amazing! Great work on the Skipjack!

Marko

[Bartolomeus]

Little update. Working on the VLS hatches and the textures.

http://www.subdock-vs.de/home/images/stories/gallery/texas/texas_new_029.jpg

http://www.subdock-vs.de/home/images/stories/gallery/texas/texas_new_030.jpg

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

looking good Marko!

[Bartolomeus]

thx Scott! next one.

[SpookyMuFu]

I hope you make this available to me Marko........

[Bartolomeus]

of course Scott!! :smile:

[subcaptian]

For the people using 3DS, I am taking a course in Game Proggraming, and need some help with the program. Help would be appreciated.

[SpookyMuFu]

well, I didnt plan on doing this one but, it just evolved......

[Bartolomeus]

Los Angeles class flight one? Looking good Scott! Great work.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

Yes Marko, a 688 Flt1, I figured since your doing the 688i I'd do an old school 688 to go with it.

[SpookyMuFu]

few more pics

[Bartolomeus]

This is awesome Scott! Ah...i see the rubber tiles on your models! :you_rock: I've never done. :frown: (i hope i can use your textures?)

The sub looking amazing! I have only one point, the radar must be before the bridge entry.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

This is awesome Scott! Ah...i see the rubber tiles on your models! :you_rock: I've never done. :frown: (i hope i can use your textures?)

The sub looking amazing! I have only one point, the radar must be before the bridge entry.

Marko

Marko, I thought so too about the radar until I saw this.........it shows layout of 688 and 688i and as you see, it shows the radar just behind and to the port side of the bridge
And of course you can use the texture, after all, I'm using your prop ;)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/scmp/a-06.gif

[SpookyMuFu]

any opinions on this?

I dont think the wire on the radar looks too good....but I do like the re-worked radar

[Bartolomeus]

upps..my mistake with the radar..sorry!

wow, the sail and the masts looks outstanding..i like the design of the radar.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, few new things..............I worked on the textures a bit more, added a few bridge items and the deck tie ups (sorry I dont know the real term for them..) and one ingame pic

[Zachstar]

Epic Win!

Each model gets better and better!

[SpookyMuFu]

I think....................it's done...........

[Bartolomeus]

yes...amazing looking sub Scott! great work!

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

I added the bow vents, they look pretty decent I think, thanks to Marko for the texture, and heres a shot showing the size difference between a 688 and a Typhoon, the hunter and the hunted.....

[OneShot]

Wow ... beautiful modells ...!!

[SpookyMuFu]

thanks oneshot!

[Red Ocktober]

yes... absolutely spectacular work... definitely would be fun lurking under the ice in that giant typhoon... or even more fun hunting the typhoon in the 688...

... or even more fun manuevering to a close tail on the typhhon in the smaller 688... then having the typhoon skipper execute a check of his baffles and turn straight back along his course directly towards me :biggrin: :biggrin:

quick quiet... and i silently wait for the sound of the hulls crunching... :biggrin:


oh yeah... tonight on discovery channel (or pbs i think)... documentary on the demolition of one of the typhoon subs at 9PM NY time...

--Mike

[SpookyMuFu]

I'd like to see that show but it doesnt seem to be on here...............:(

[SpookyMuFu]

Okay, heres a progress pic of Dr Sids request..........still lots to do

[Bartolomeus]

Oh...a DSRV. Nice work...cant wait to see more pics of this model.

Marko

[goldorak]

SpookyMuFu you're really talented.
Your submarine 3d models are a pleasure to look. :biggrin:
Man, SCS should have hired you years ago to get some kick ass models in DW. :tongue:

[SpookyMuFu]

thanks goldorak, I just recently installed DW and it's just like SubCommand was out of the box, horrible models, SCX did a good job helping it along, now DW could use the same help, I did see there was a mod for it but it isnt nearly as good as SCX was, not nearly as many models.....

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, 'nuther update with the DSRV...........

[SpookyMuFu]

I had to do it............:)

[SpookyMuFu]

Looking good.............(well, I think so)

[Bartolomeus]

The new texture set is almost done. I must add the weathered details and the depth marks to the textures.

[Electric Boat]

Hi guys, my name is Electric Boat. It's my first here in the forum. Wonderful works! I've just seen them now, still for the first time. Just two quick questions:
1) are these models and textures made to be added to DW?;
2) wich programs you employ to paint these wonderful textures? The thing make me wonder because I also are a modeler and have made at now nearly 80 3d models sorted between submarines (all US and almost all soviet ones, modifications comprehended such Yankee-II, Pod Akson-01, Sidecar, Notch...), weapons (US and soviet ICBMs, MRBMs, SLBMs, AA, ASM, SSM missiles), Keyhole and Cosmos sats, SS-24 train, silos, SS-20, -21, -22, -23 and -25 launcher trucks with base, Minuteman ICBM base, Polyarny navalbase, Groton navalbase, and other stuff. Unfortunately the only program I'm able to use to paint my textures mapped with Ultimate Unwrap 3d 2.15, is Window's Paint soft...nothing better, so details are a quite rough...

[SpookyMuFu]

looking good Marko, cant wait to see all the new textures

[SpookyMuFu]

Hi guys, my name is Electric Boat. It's my first here in the forum. Wonderful works! I've just seen them now, still for the first time. Just two quick questions:
1) are these models and textures made to be added to DW?;
2) wich programs you employ to paint these wonderful textures? The thing make me wonder because I also are a modeler and have made at now nearly 80 3d models sorted between submarines (all US and almost all soviet ones, modifications comprehended such Yankee-II, Pod Akson-01, Sidecar, Notch...), weapons (US and soviet ICBMs, MRBMs, SLBMs, AA, ASM, SSM missiles), Keyhole and Cosmos sats, SS-24 train, silos, SS-20, -21, -22, -23 and -25 launcher trucks with base, Minuteman ICBM base, Polyarny navalbase, Groton navalbase, and other stuff. Unfortunately the only program I'm able to use to paint my textures mapped with Ultimate Unwrap 3d 2.15, is Window's Paint soft...nothing better, so details are a quite rough...
My models are being made for the CSS Community Sub Sim (what this forum is for).

I use Photoshop to make the textures, then I use GMAX (my modeling program) to apply the textures, then I use Deep Exploration to adjust and tweak the models reflectiveness and shine and any transparency's needed such as windows.

[Bartolomeus]

Hey Electric Boat (nice name!!)

Iam also make the models for the CSS (and VS).

I use Paint Net and Photoshop to make the textures. And the program to add the textures i use 3ds max, gmax and Deep Exploration for the same reason as Spook.

Marko

[Theta Sigma]

Hi Zachstar

Yeah, here is the Typhoon 7. It is only Work in Progress.

http://www.subdock-vs.de/home/images/stories/gallery/october/red_0006.jpg


okay, work has started on the Hotel.......Very early renderings of K-19


I added the bow vents, they look pretty decent I think, thanks to Marko for the texture, and heres a shot showing the size difference between a 688 and a Typhoon, the hunter and the hunted.....


just goofing around........

My God....these are obscenely good. If this kind of ongoing dedication and devotion is anything to go by, this will blow away DW. To play out the Red Oktober scenario would realize a childhood wish of mine. :)

By the way, have any of you worked on Danger Deep as well? I haven't checked on that lately, but that was a similar WWII community subsim project too.

[SpookyMuFu]

hi Theta Sigma, thanks for the compliments!!

no I didnt do any work on that sim, I did look at it tho but I'm not really interested in WWII sims so I didnt play it.

I'm hoping this sim evolves into a really good sim, I am looking forward to it

[Bartolomeus]

Hi Theta Sigma

Thx for your words! Danger Deep is a awesome project. But im also not really interested in WWII addons. My favorite era is the Cold War.

Marko

[SpookyMuFu]

I made a few changes to the Delta III. I made a new sail with new windows and details, new missile doors, texture work, and a windscreen and flag.

[Theta Sigma]

I had made a Scottish defense budget joke, but realized the colors were inverted. ;)

[SpookyMuFu]

haha :) ....

[pingjockey]

Howdy gents, been busy but the new models look really good!!!

[SpookyMuFu]

hi pingjockey............


I am currently trying to decide on my next model.........not sure which modern sub I want to do.......

[goldorak]

hi pingjockey............


I am currently trying to decide on my next model.........not sure which modern sub I want to do.......

I have some ideas. How about the X-1 ? It was the US navy's only midget submarine during the cold war era, around late 1950.
Or you could model the NR-1 the first and only us navy midget nuclear submarine.

[SpookyMuFu]

got any other ideas?

[goldorak]

You already modeled the skipjack, how about the sturgeon class ?
Or the Nautilus. How about english subs ? Trafalgar class or Astute class ?

[SpookyMuFu]

Trafalgar was on my list along with a Vanguard SSBN but there wasnt too many good pics of a Trafalgar on google, do you have any?

[goldorak]

Trafalgar was on my list along with a Vanguard SSBN but there wasnt too many good pics of a Trafalgar on google, do you have any?


No I'm sorry I don't have any pictures of those subs. :frown:
Maybe you can ask XabbaRus or TlamStrike. They could have pictures of those subs.

[SpookyMuFu]

Xabb and TLAM seem to be MIA, neither of them seem to spend any time here any more....

[pingjockey]

You already have a virginia class boat and a 688 so how about something alittle more exciting say like a Victor III or a Sierra 2? What about an Oscar 2

[SpookyMuFu]

You already have a virginia class boat and a 688 so how about something alittle more exciting say like a Victor III or a Sierra 2? What about an Oscar 2

I think Xabb is working on the Oscar but I dont know what happened to him.....

Virginia, 688i, typhoon7, and the seawolf are all covered by Marko.

Mike has covered the Sturgeon.

I need an Akula for my VS so maybe I'll add an Akula to the list as well.....keep the ideas coming I am writing them all down

[goldorak]

How about some modern diesel electric AIP subs ? The Italo-German Type 212A perhaps ? Or the French Scorpene class, what about the Royal Australian Navy Collins class submarine ?

[Shadows_Fall]

hi pingjockey............


I am currently trying to decide on my next model.........not sure which modern sub I want to do.......

How about an Echo II?

I've become fascinated with them. I always liked the lethal drawbacks, like poor batteries on U boats. I've also always preferred ASMs over torpedoes. SSGN + 8 conventional ASMs + Tasked with carrier hunting + Being required to float along for about 30 minutes after launch = <3

Not to mention it's also just a very unique boat with a cool design.

[Transients]

How about some modern diesel electric AIP subs ? The Italo-German Type 212A perhaps ? Or the French Scorpene class, what about the Royal Australian Navy Collins class submarine ?

I'd love to drive a 212!:cool: The models are looking good so far, guys.:smile: Keep 'em coming!

[Transients]

Not to mention it's also just a very unique boat with a cool design.

Those gaps in the hull make it unmistakable. There'll never be another boat like that.

[SpookyMuFu]

okay, I'm thinking the Victor III, 212, or the French Scorpene class.............

[Bartolomeus]

The Scorpene class would be great Scott. :smile:

[SpookyMuFu]

The Scorpene class would be great Scott. :smile:

out of the 3, I think that would be the fastest and easiest to knock out......

Welcome back!

[Bartolomeus]

Thx Scott! You have a mail.

[SpookyMuFu]

thanks Marko, I got it!

Also, if you're interested, here are 120 some pages of reference pics for your 688 and virginia class....the "download" link for those pics give very hi res images

Navy NewsStand - Eye on the Fleet (http://www.navy.mil/view_gallery.asp?sort_row=1&category_id=17&sort_type=0&page=1)

[Bartolomeus]

Great helpful link, thx Scott!

[SpookyMuFu]

quick update on the 688........new more accurate masts and I had to reshape the sail, it just wasnt right and didnt look quite right......

[Bartolomeus]

very nice Scott.

the Texas is almost done (missing only few weathered details). at the end of the weekend i will send the Texas to Dr. Sid.

[SpookyMuFu]

looking forward to it........

[SpookyMuFu]

k, work has started on a new model..........

[SpookyMuFu]

more work done

[goldorak]

Is it an Alfa ?

[SpookyMuFu]

Is it an Alfa ?

nope, it isnt.........I've already done an Alfa

[XabbaRus]

Looking good. Sorry I didn't update any models but I just last the drive and also dcided to clean up my hard drive. So I deleted all my stuff. Looking how the sim is progressing I might start again. I had all these half done projects but think I will go back to finishing the Oscar II. The one thing I'd like help with is mapping. It is the one thing I hate doing. I'll make the model but would prefer someone to map it.

[Dr.Sid]

Glad to see you again.

[SpookyMuFu]

Hi Xabb, nice to see you back

[XabbaRus]

Well since you seem to have a handle on subs I thought I would go back to surface vessels. I have a Nanuchka to finish and a Grisha.

I would like to know how you would like the hulls split so when they do sink they can break up nicely.

[SpookyMuFu]

good, I hate making hulls........glad there is someone willing to do the surface ships

[SpookyMuFu]

little more work done

[SpookyMuFu]

what do ya think?
still lots of work to do of course

[XabbaRus]

Do you have opening torpedo doors?

As long as I can still release the Oscar II. It is on my work computer. I need someone to look at the sail as it is the only thing holding things up.

[Bartolomeus]

Looking great Scott! Nice work on the Akula.

[SpookyMuFu]

Do you have opening torpedo doors?

As long as I can still release the Oscar II. It is on my work computer. I need someone to look at the sail as it is the only thing holding things up.

atm, it doesnt have any torpedo doors......Sid hasnt requested any opening torpedo doors as of yet

it will have doors but it will be up to sid to animate them

whats wrong with the Oscar sail Xabb?

Thanks Marko

[XabbaRus]

Big problems with smoothing around the hatches. Wasn't too bad till I cut windows in.

I though I had erased my model but found on in my e-mail before I put windows in. Letum on subsim is quite a wiz with 3ds max so I might ask him to take a look. I have to redo some stuff as there was some stuff done after the model I have now but no biggy.

[SpookyMuFu]

ah okay, Marko taught me a good way to cut windows with out deforming the sail........maybe he can explain it to you too.... I use gmax so I had to adapt it to gmax but he uses 3ds max...


new update on the Akula

[SpookyMuFu]

a little screenshot :)